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In an attempt to keep up with my blog savy friends, and to acomodate my new Mac, I have switched to typepad for my blogging.Pagittblog is now updated at pagitt.typepad.com Here is a link

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2004-01-21T19:48:00.000-06:00

We have been having a great time in Maui the last two days. We have been in the ocean three times already and awoke at 1:30 AM our first day to take a trip to the top of Haliakela Volcano. At 10,000 feet high it was very cold, but really wonderful. WE could see over 100 miles, all the way to the big Island and had wonderful weather. Here are some pictures. For those who find the slightest

2004-01-18T21:28:00.000-06:00

We are hours away from leaving for Hawaii. A friend pointed out tonight that today the "feels-like temperature" in minneapolis was 100 degrees colder than maui. The actual temperature was 80 degrees colder.Shelley and I are listening to This American Life - it is terrific tonight - "What I should have said"

2004-01-18T00:29:00.000-06:00

untitledIt is 12:23 AM and I just returned from watching the film 21 Grams with Jimmy and Erik.The movie is, well any adjectives I use will come up short, so I will say unbelievably good.Among the many things Jimmy and I talked about on the way home is the ability of film to tell stories that other wise could not be told. There was a trailer for the Passion Of The Christ that played before 21

2004-01-16T17:12:00.000-06:00

Received this link from a friend.Pomo churchPretty good

2004-01-16T16:31:00.000-06:00

At the risk of receiving censor from my friend Tony Jones and being called a marketing whore by Jay Howver, I would like to mention that I received a copy of my book in the mail today.It is pretty cool to have it in hand.If anyone can't wait a few weeks to purchase their own, this one is for sale for $5,000.

2004-01-15T08:16:00.000-06:00

February 6, 2004 at 7:30 PM will be the book release party for Reimagining Spiritual Formation. All are invited. The party will be at Solomon's Porch in our newly acquired and remodeled space. Tiki Obmar will be playing and that is worth the visit alone.

2004-01-15T08:12:00.000-06:00

We are counting down the days to be with our friends the Toys in Maui. We leave Monday the 19th.Michael said he would help me with some set-up of my blog so hopefully I will be able to post other blogs.Just in time for the trip I finally got the kids turned onto Rush. Who cares that they should be working on flash cards, studying Spanish and trying to reach the minimum levels on standardized

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We are counting down the days to be with our friends the Toys in Maui. We leave Monday the 19th. Michael said he would help me with some set-up of my blog so hopefully I will be able to post other blogs. Just in time for the trip I finally got the kids turned onto Rush. Who cares that they should be working on flash cards, studying Spanish and trying to reach the minimum levels on standardized

2004-01-14T08:10:00.000-06:00

Here is a great blog posted by my friend Jason Clark. http://www.sailor-and-a-scholar.com/blog/archives/000098.html

2004-01-12T21:24:00.000-06:00

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2004-01-11T00:27:00.000-06:00

untitledLen Evans' at his blog "looking out from my little place" made a nice reference to my book coming out. Thanks Len.By the way, I am trying to figure our how to create a favorite links place to other blogs here in my new configuration.One you ought to look at is KP's!I will try to post more in the future.

2004-01-10T15:00:00.000-06:00

There is a fairly decent article in this issue of FaithWorks magazine on preaching. While not everything in it is is what those of us interviewed meant to say, it is pretty darn close.

2004-01-10T10:32:00.000-06:00

Perhaps you have had one of these kind of days, where you, for a split second, have to ask yourself what year it is. At the turn of a new year this is often the case. “Oh yeah, it is 2004” might not be that uncommon. Well today I had one of those moments wondering if it was 1983. My 12 year-old son, Ruben, was moon-walking across the floor to “Billy Jean” and “Thriller”. All this with a big

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I just heard today that my book will be released January 23. I am excited but feel like there is a bunch of work to do to get the word out. It can be ordered now on Amazon and delivered when it comes out. And if one were so inlcined they could write a review and rank the book highly when it does release. Here are a couple of excerpts from the book. Perhaps you are among the many wonderful

2004-01-06T23:44:00.000-06:00

Shelley and I are thinking of getting a digital camera. Here is what we are thinking. Any advice is welcome. Nikon 4300

2004-01-06T23:30:00.000-06:00

I am in Nashville this week doing some work for the emergent/YS line of books. We are having a great time. Tony Jones told me today that Christianity Today (for those who don’t know it is an evangelical magazine, which I do not receive so the following is still a rumor) listed this blog as something people should read. Can you imagine that? So, I have once again decided to write more

2004-01-03T21:19:00.000-06:00

me prayer warriors looking todem intense cave fight

2003-12-31T15:43:00.000-06:00

Today is new years eve. It is a low key day at home, but taylor is sick. Chris Seay was in town yesterday so we had some good time together. This afternoon I will officiate Bobbi Peacock's wedding and then Shelley and I will head to Kiran's bar for a get together. Happy New Year.

2003-12-26T13:52:00.001-06:00

So I know I have not blogged in a while and there really has been a lot going on. Crazy stuff with a few people at church and I got a new computer. I bit the bullet and entered into the Mac world. I now own a powerbook G4. I’ll tell you what - it takes a little getting use to. I now have to work on the computer elitist attitude. I went into a Comp USA to ask about a software to transfer my

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So the ABC special that was shot this summer is airing this week and last around the country. It is called The Changing Face of Worship. Here in Minneapolis it is on the local ABC affiliate on Sunday morning at 6 AM. Now we have hit the prime time for all the convenient store worker and security guards of the world. We are going to recorded it and watch it with a bunch of SP people at our

2003-12-10T23:06:00.000-06:00

Our family is going to Maui, Hawaii January 19th for a vacation. We will be going with the Toy’s. So I am going to start a count down here, not to rub it in that we are going and none of you are, well I guess that is exactly what it is. Just kidding, sort of. :) But it is the 40 day point so it has that Biblical feel to it and makes this feel more like a pilgrimage. But it isn't it is just a

2003-12-09T20:14:00.000-06:00

So I once again have fallen behind in blogging. So here is a really long make-up post. Last week was a busy one. I was in Nashville with a bunch of friends, Mark Scandrette, Thom Olson, Mark Oestreicher, Jeanie Stevens, Greg Warner. I also hooked up with some new friends who live in Nashville, Denise, Peter, and Penny. Then I met a bunch of new friends. But I was not just hanging with friends.

2003-11-17T22:03:00.000-06:00

A friend sent me this quote from C.S Lewis. It came up in a conversation we had last week, where he mentioned that Lewis had written that Jesus' call was to "feed my sheep" not "experiment on my rats". I thought this was an interesting line in light of my writing a book with the subtitle "A Week in the life of an experimental church". He sent me quote and I still like that line, but Lewis

2003-11-17T21:48:00.000-06:00

I returned yesterday from a weekend in San Diego being with my friends Mark Oestreicher and Mark Scandrette and attending Mike Yaconelli’s memorial service. I am regularly reminded what an honor it is to have friends and to be a friend with such wonderful people. Shelley was also away for the weekend creating a life book for Taylor’s 13th birthday (March 8). Our children all spent the weekend

2003-11-06T17:09:00.000-06:00

Here are a few shots from our weekly dinner last night.

2003-11-06T15:55:00.000-06:00

I have been think about a 21st century way of involvement in the world. I heard an NPR story on the group Doctors Without Borders and thought about what a cool concept that is. I think we need to have a sense of being Christians without borders. We need to not define our effort in the world, or whom we help, or where we seek righteousness in terms of our location, affiliation and nationality.

2003-11-03T08:49:00.000-06:00

It is snowing in Minneapolis today - aghhhhhhh

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The Vikings suck.

2003-11-02T14:20:00.000-06:00

Michael has some wonderful picture of the Emergent Gathering at this link http://homepage.mac.com/michaeltoy/PhotoAlbum20.html Here is one example

2003-11-02T14:17:00.000-06:00

Michael Toy created a new template for me. Thanks Michael!

2003-11-02T14:14:00.000-06:00

I know in the scope of all things important our new kitchen does not make the list, but it is sure good to see all this work coming together. Here a couple of shots of the almost finished work. Josh is in one of the pictures, he is a friend from our community who is helping me install the cabinets - well he is really doing it and I am helping him. My personal highlight is our new Refrigerator -

2003-10-30T21:33:00.000-06:00

I am deeply saddened by the death of Mike Yaconelli. He was a wonderful man and somewhere in me I feel that good people like Mike deserve a better fate than this kind of death. I will miss Mike and I believe in someway the world will miss him. Please extend your prayer and support to Mike’s family, friends and organization. More can be found at www.youthspecialties.com

2003-10-29T11:04:00.000-06:00

So, I have a couple of developing thoughts and one well developed thought to share. The developed one first. Is it not the case that we all know how to use voicemail now? When we call someone, we are no longer surprised by an answering machine or voicemail are we? Of course not. Then why do so many people leave such explicit instructions on their outgoing message? The amount of time we

2003-10-26T12:40:00.000-06:00

I have decided to go with a new format for my reinvigorated bogging effort. This was the best of the free ones on blogger, so it someone has a good template they would share I would appreciate it. Dougp@solomonsporch.com

2003-10-26T12:29:00.000-06:00

So, the Pagitt family has Lice! I swear our life is sometimes like a never broadcast episode of the Brady Bunch. Instead of Peter being allergic to Tiger, we all have lice. Here we are in our unfinished kitchen searching Michon for lice, with our treatment caps on.

2003-10-24T21:05:00.000-05:00

Ok, I think I might be back to bloging for awhile. Here are a few things that have been going on. We are remodeling our kitchen. I am doing most of the work. It has been a killer. Shelley and I just returned from the Emergent Gathering. Michael Toy took some great pictures that should be on the www.emergentvillage.com site soon. The book is scheduled to come our in January. It has been

2003-08-09T19:43:00.000-05:00

It is strange days around our place. There is a crew from ABC news doing a story on the church in the postmodern world hanging around our community for the last few days. They are now in my living room moving things around to get a good shot of me for an interview. It is still hard for me to believe anyone has an interest in what we are doing - but we did have a great meal together tonight.

2003-07-19T10:45:00.000-05:00

I cut my hair yesterday. After a few days of getting used to it I might post a picture. I can feel the strenght leaving my body - oh God of Samson save me.

2003-07-13T22:45:00.000-05:00

On saturday we went to our friends house and rode four wheelers and dirt bikes - what a life my kids have.

2003-07-13T22:17:00.000-05:00

had a great weekend. Rudy Carasco stayed over at our house. He was in town speaking at a thing called the Sould Liberation Festival. He is sitting on our couch right now telling shelley about his mom's funeral when he was a kid. Rudy told part of his story at at church tonight. We prayed fro him, kaffi and harambe. I spoke at Church Of The Open Door this morning and last night. I would on

2003-07-10T17:43:00.000-05:00

Got a great birthday gift from my friend Michael Toy in the mail today -

2003-07-10T10:12:00.000-05:00

Tuesday was a strange day. One of my favorite parts is in the morning when I go to a men's breakfast, this week there were 18 guys. It is a wonderful time of being together. Here is a picture of Thom going through his journal on our way to the breakfast. Thom is famous for writing down things people say and then quoting it back to them - it is a really cool gift. Today Chico had another fit

2003-07-06T09:49:00.000-05:00

I had a tremendous birthday yesterday. I turned 37 a non-important age, no mile-stone or anything. My kids made me a huge breakfast in the morning - 7 pancakes, eggs, English muffin, juice and a yogurt shake. Then I was led outside, blind folded. Shelley and the kids bought me a hammock so "I could enjoy the back yard I worked so hard in". Matt Henry arranged a paintball outing with a

2003-07-04T23:57:00.000-05:00

So over the last few days a bunch has been going on. Michon had a bog party at our house. She is going into 8th grade and had a boy, girl party. It is the 4th of July so our family went to Shelley's extended family get-together in Cannon Falls about 40 miles from the twin cities, it was a good time as usual. The parade at 11:30 was almost identical to last year and every other year. I

2003-07-04T23:27:00.000-05:00

So, I am going to get back into Blogging - I promise. The book is almost done, and I am ready to go - here is a picture that puts a thousands words around my last few months. Here is a draft of the book cover - Dustin Black is doing the work. I am trying to find a way to change the author part. I was thinking about something like Lead Author Doug Pagitt and the Solomon's Porch Community. Any

2003-06-18T15:05:00.000-05:00

So I have done a horrible job of blogging. This book is really killing me. I have two weeks to finish. I have three chapter to finish and all the journal pieces. Now that the kids are out school my life is consummed by them. I am not sure which is more irritating, teacher working 9 months or me having to change my life for 3 months.

2003-05-04T07:01:00.000-05:00

There is no question that the life that we try to live with other at SP is much harder than the format of our collective Christian expression. It is amazing how many times I fail the people of our community. Many times there is nothing I can do aboutit, or even know that I am doing it. The truth is that we are all so lacking, that we not only need each other but we need grace in our lives with

2003-05-04T06:44:00.000-05:00

I had a very Andrew Jonesesque day yesterday. We worked in our garden most of the day. Tilled the far back yard creating a 60-foot long, 8-foot wide wild flower garden, which is one of the metaphors Andrew and I have used in discussing church leadership in the future. We then built two raised garden beds from Cedar and tilled the area for the vegetable garden. Some friends stop by last night

2003-04-21T09:13:00.000-05:00

This holy week was unbelievable. We attempted to create a environment where we followed the activities of the passion week. Wednesday we had a Passover seder. It included a full meal and the telling of the promise of God to the nation of Israel. Thursday was a Maundy Thursday service with an all night prayer vigil where people would sign-up for half hours slots. It is amazing to be in

2003-04-16T21:34:00.000-05:00

Today is a great day. We strated are holy week traditions tonight with a Passover Seder. It is is such a blessing to live my life with these other people of faith. We had a full seder with dinner and all. Tomorow we will have a Maundy Thursday Service leading into all night prayer vigil. Friday we will have an artist coolaerative event called The Way Of The Cross. the 14 stations of the cross

2003-04-15T20:01:00.000-05:00

So in the last two days I have receive emails from 16 people saying that they would be glad to read my chapters. It is hard to beleive that 16 even look at this blog, but maybe everyone who saw it said yes. Thank you readers. i was going to put their names here, but 24 starts in one minute so I will have to do it latter.

2003-04-13T13:58:00.000-05:00

I was once again reminded today there is a significant difference in those who are trying to do a Gen X version of church and those of us who are trying to reach for something new. I am amazed at all the people doing the same old evangelical or reformed ministry with an edgy feel and reqally have no sense of reaching for something new in christianity let alone church. We really need people

2003-04-13T13:12:00.000-05:00

I am working on a book called "A week in the life" it is a descriptive telling of how we do spiritual formation using holistic methods and not just the education model. It is going to published through the emergent/YS line with Zondervan in January 2004. I need to have it done and edited by July. The editor is Carla who is part of Solomon's Porch, so we are working on each chapter as we go. I

2003-04-12T10:20:00.000-05:00

So I just wrote a huge blog entry after returning from Guatemala and then lost it. I need to go now, so I will try to reconstruct it latter. The trip was life giving and wodnerful.

2003-03-24T16:32:00.000-06:00

The Ring by Bruce Sringsteen is a really great album.

2003-03-24T16:26:00.000-06:00

Writing a book is realy hard.

2003-03-18T13:27:00.000-06:00

It is Tuesday, the day, some 30 hours before the expiration of the ultimatum for Sadam Hussein. I ma taking a break form writing I am doing for a book I am working on, about communal spiritual formation, which seems a little trivial right now. During my brake I turned on the TV to see if Sadam had by chance left power- my prayer at this point. So I put on C- Span where there is live coverage of

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It is Tuesday, some 30 hours before the expiration of the ultimatum for Sadam Hussein given by President Bush. I am taking a break form writing I am doing for a book I am working on, about communal spiritual formation, which seems a little trivial right now. During my brake I turned on the TV to see if Sadam had by chance left power- my prayer at this point. So I put on C- Span. There is live

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It jsut dawned on me in a new way that I am "That Guy" The guy who sits on his couch yelling to four children and a wife, "does somebody want to answer the phone, please". How did it come to this?

2003-03-08T17:53:00.000-06:00

It is my homey Taylor's 12th Birthday today.

2003-03-06T08:00:00.000-06:00

Last night was our first Ash Wednesday service at Solomon’s Porch. It was really great. This was not only our first one, but also the first that I have every participated in. Jim Barnhill and I did the imposition of ashes. It was a very profound experience. The evening started wit the walking of a labyrinth in the kitchen, which look created. Then we proceeded upstairs and sat in silence,

2003-03-04T21:50:00.000-06:00

It is march 4, I returned from the Emergent Convention two days ago and still have not caught up. I am so tired I could hardly think straight today. I could not remember the name Usama Bin Laden in a conversation, not with him, but about him. I do not like living my life this tired. I will write more about the convention when I get back to myself. At this point all I can say is thanks to

2003-02-21T19:15:00.000-06:00

It is a good day. The boys are home working on their Carney routine, Michon is Snow boarding and we are listening to Bruce Springsteen’s album, The Rising. It is a great album. I am not much a commercial music guy and have not bought an album in years. I own this one and bought it even though I have Kaza. It would be great if we could tell the story of faith, live and

2003-02-18T10:12:00.000-06:00

On my way to our Tuesday morning men’s breakfast this morning at Victor’s 1959 Cuban Restaurant in Minneapolis this morning I had a little experience that showed me just how hard my heart is and how much I do not have the passions of Jesus. I listen to NPR most of the time in the car – which is a true sign of being 36, and they mentioned that starting tomorrow they will have another fund drive –

2003-02-17T13:35:00.000-06:00

I am doing some writing today, but not on the Week In The Life book, rather, on a response to an article that is part of a Council on Ecclesiology, that I am part off. One of the other participants, Mark Talbot, a Philosophy professor at Wheaton College and I are in a dialog around how does the church understand revelation and know God. He is a classic reformer, I am, well, me. We will have a

2003-02-15T10:50:00.000-06:00

Michon and Taylor baby sat their Cousin Evan last night. They are really great kids.

2003-02-15T10:37:00.000-06:00

Oh yeah, someone hacked into our church bulletin board and we lost all of our posting. It is humbling to think that we got it from some pimple faced 13 year old sitting in his room somewhere with a cable modem. Now we have ]increased out site warning level to Orange and everyone is duck taping our computers.

2003-02-15T10:34:00.000-06:00

well what a week. Things are settling down at church with the odd gathering on Sunday, tomorrow will be normal Gathering, we are going to spend a few weeks in Daniel – how perfectly 2003 emerging church of us. Shelley and I went to a movie last night with some free coupons from our mortgage guy - we are refinancing at 5.75% on a 30 year mortgage, crazy. Anyway, we went to a newly built theater

2003-02-10T08:39:00.000-06:00

I love my church, and as I have said if it weren't for places like Solomon's Porch, Christianity would be a hard practice for me. But last night went bizarre. I really do not want to re-live it by writing about it, other than to say the idea publicly shared that we are insufficient in some ways that I do not happen to think we are insufficient in. (there are plenty of ways that we are

2003-02-08T08:33:00.000-06:00

It is Friday at the covenant yearly event I am at, and I have my license interview this afternoon - A really bizarre thing that strangers are going to say that I can be a pastor. It is kind of like receiving an honorary degree. Anyway, there is a big conversation going on among a bunch of my cronies in response to a critique by a guy named Kevin Miller, who wrote about the Passé nature of the

2003-02-04T08:50:00.000-06:00

When I am at church leader events, like the one I am at now, I have so many opportunities to tell the story of Solomon's Porch, that I often get tired of hearing my self talk about it. But, I did have a thought of clarity the other day. If all churches were like Solomon's Porch, that would be a over limiting and very bad thing for Christianity. But, if there was not a place like Solomon's

2003-02-04T08:44:00.001-06:00

Monday, February 03, 2003 I am in the Theological destinctives class. It is much better than I thought. I received an email about how church went at Solomon’s Porch went last night. Here is what Marlene wrote – I sure love these people and this church. I hate to miss it, it makes me realize how much I need Solomon’s Porch in my own life. Marlene’s Comments: Hi Everyone - I was just talking

2003-02-04T08:44:00.000-06:00

It is the weekend of February 1, 2003 I am going to spend the week in Chicago at an event called mid-winter that is a yearly gathering of the denomination that Solomon’s Porch is part of called the Evangelical Covenant Church. I have to take a class called Theological Distinctives of the Covenant – I am not so looking forward to it. I will spend time over the weekend visiting some churches in

2003-01-29T21:55:00.000-06:00

I need some help in jazzing up my blog. Andrew sent me some blog info a while back, but I need more help than that. Any input on how to put link and that sort of thing would be appreciated.

2003-01-29T13:19:00.000-06:00

January 29, 2003 I am just finishing up my first two days of writing A Week in the Life. It has gone fairly well. I spent the days creating detailed outline of all 14 chapters. I just looked up and saw an SUV driving across the frozen lake. It struck me how odd it is the lake is frozen 2 feet think in the winter, and plenty strong for vehicles to drive on, and in four months people will be

2003-01-29T13:18:00.000-06:00

Personal Reflections January 28, 2003 – I am working on my book for the next couple of days. The draft is due the first of May. I am working on chapter 6 - worship Gatherings today. This is my first day of writing. It feels like a good place to start. I have the most prepared material for this section and know it really well. At this point it is the mostly organizing what I have already

2003-01-28T07:01:00.000-06:00

I heard these words running through my head yesterday, "live in love and let God work in people. Don’t be so worried about these things, there is often more going on then you know." In the situation I was ranting about things seem to be following along that path - boy am I a pathetic worrier about that kind of stuff some times. I am taking my first two-day set to write the week in the life

2003-01-26T23:44:00.000-06:00

It is 11:22 pm on Sunday the 26th of January. I am a mix of emotions. I am trying to live committed to journaling here and this is a time of writing as a discipline. Today at church was a really good day. We had a leadership co-op meeting that was our best yet. We were able to approve the 2003 budget including pay increases for Ben and me, which really felt right and God honoring. Had a

2003-01-24T10:42:00.000-06:00

It is Friday morning and I have returned from the Theological Dialog. There are a few thoughts running through my head. There is a sense that our emergent get togethers are like a Super Bowl Party or Halloween Party - the purpose is the party and not the game or the outfits. We had an emergent party with Stanley Hauerwas, but the best part was the party. It is so good to be with smart, loving

2003-01-21T19:08:00.000-06:00

Me - there is a difference in loving our enemies and working to get our enemies to love us. This is the christian story versus the current popuar story.

2003-01-21T18:57:00.000-06:00

he is asking if xn's could get themselves banned from the military like the gays. He said, "how could the gays do something so moral they got themselves banned from the military" he is moving between critiquing the church and american government - this is a flaw in his arguement, to me. I want to ask him these questions: You seem to hold the united states to the pacifist position that is

2003-01-21T18:24:00.000-06:00

Stanley is entering into night 2 - he is doing a tlak called, what I wanted to be said after september 11 I need to order "First Things" magazine Stanley quit as part of the editors board due to an exchange around sept 11 - I wonder if he too easily quits things He is giving good thoughts about his time speaking at US Air Force academy after sept 11 - he is giving them good credit for not

2003-01-21T08:56:00.000-06:00

It is now Tuesday. we are having a discussion about last night. I am suggesting a critique of Stanley taking a view that Christians are their own culture, that is distinct from ourhost culture. I am suggesting that christians are always bi, or multi-cultural. We are christian within a certain setting. i jsut ran my anthropoligicial stuff about the what makes a culture - the way people think,

2003-01-20T19:09:00.000-06:00

When was the last time we heard a sermon telling is that we are going to die and we need to prepare for it? No wonder people go it alone. The liturgy helps us with the language of life and death. He is ussgesting an "Us" in the sharing of our illness. I think he is using all this to get us ot the place where we see our isolation from one another through death.

2003-01-20T19:04:00.000-06:00

x'ns are in training to be hopeful in our life and death, that is why we need to give our suffering to one another. He is telling a story from the Embodied Holiness book, kinda funny to hear him do rebaked material

2003-01-20T18:58:00.000-06:00

sentimentality is killing us. children are niot our hope, but are a sign of the hope we have. We should not be pacifists be to stop war, but because we can see no other way to be. XN is the ongoing traing to be able to die early The couragous have fears the coward could never know in a reulst it can make the world more dangerous xn's die in the hope of the saints

2003-01-20T18:50:00.000-06:00

should we hold people to choices they made, when they had no idea what they were doing? what does this mean for marriage and children? most people in modernity are simply stoics -0 they are forced to lifve out choices they made when they did not know what they were doing. he is taking a jab at medical ethics how do you pratice medicine in a morally anartical society - with no morals other than

2003-01-20T18:40:00.000-06:00

"This is the most important thing I have to Say what accounts for this view of death? Modernizations stroy - People should have no story other than the story you chose when you had not story."

2003-01-20T18:39:00.000-06:00

Stanley is having us look at death to see who we are. he is on a tangent about the issue of medical school and divinty school. diff in the two: No one things that an incopetant priest can hurt you, but an incompetant doctor can kill you. "If you think who your doctor is is more important than who you pastor is, you are in trouble" I wonder if the role of community is more impotant than priest.

2003-01-20T18:26:00.000-06:00

He is askingthe group how we want to die. He suggest, in sleep, pinlessly, in sleep and not as burden. minsiter of God of the Gaps - visiting hospital asking god to care for all the caregivers are not able to take. He is quoting a Mide evil people wanting a lingering death, to reconcile with enimies famil\\\\\\\ They did not fear death, but God. Slow death gave them time to care for things as

2003-01-20T18:22:00.000-06:00

At this very moment I am in the Emergent Theological dialog with Stanley Hauerwass in Chapel Hill North Carolina. My plan is to use my blog to take notes for the event. The event started today and runs through Wednesday. I will write ideas, thoughts, internal conflicts and the like. I will not overly edit, instead I will just write and let typos and my common misspelling to jsut be. See there

2003-01-12T15:16:00.000-06:00

I have become a scarf guy. It is Saturday, January 11, 2003 and I am the speaker at a retreat at a Christian camp with Junior Highers. There are about 300 from around the state. The most surreal part if that I have two of my own children (Michon and Taylor) along as campers. Any way, the temperature is, in classic Minnesota January fashion, -5 degrees. It is so cold at that when sniffing hard